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Question The downside - Gambling & Crime

I often wonder what comes first. Someone who's a problem gambler stealing to feed their habit, or a thief who can find nothing better to do with the money they pilfer other than to use it for gambling ?

It's perhaps mostly the former but I'm sure the people who run or work for the wide array of gambling related helplines and counseling services around the world will have a more precise opinion and statistics to back it up.


What do you think ?


On the subject of gambling and crime here is a recent case from Scotland where a 26 year old living at home with his parents stole £936,425 and apparently blew the lot punting on the Internet.

Finance controller who stole nearly £1m to feed gambling habit is jailed
http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Art...04786?UserKey=


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Please stay on topic

Hello Skyvision,

You are very welcome to give your thoughts on this forum.
I would prefer however if you stay on topic so please start your own threads if you wish to discuss something different.

This thread is about gambling and whether or not problem gambling, addiction etc.. and committing acts of criminality (usually stealing) are related. By going off topic you confuse the issue and the Forum starts looks like a dogs breakfast.


Also there aren't 50,000 employees in UK casino industry. If there were then every unit would have around 350 staff. A 15,000 total would be much nearer the mark.


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Or the "get out of jail free" defence; I stole the money because I'm hooked on gambling. It's not my fault, the casino made me do it.
It works a treat in Australia.
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Arrow Online gambling related thefts

Two unlikely locations have made the news this weekend in relation to gambling and crime - Exeter in Devon and Waunfawr located near Snowdonia in North Wales.


Gwynedd man stole to feed gaming addiction
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...5578-23197090/

"A SALESMAN swindled a Gwynedd company out of £40,000 after becoming addicted to internet gambling. Ceirion Rhys Williams, 31, of Waunfawr, near Caernarfon, built up debts of £110,000 after getting hooked on gambling on his laptop."



Woman stole £150,000 for gambling
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7955873.stm

"A woman has been jailed for two and a half years for stealing £150,000 from her employers to feed her online gambling habit. Eileen Evis, 61, from Colaton Raleigh, Devon, took the money from building firm TAG in Sidmouth where she worked as a £50-a-week book-keeper."


It would seem that in these two cases the Internet gambling addiction came first and thefts followed.

I agree though with saintpeter that a gambling addiction seems to be often given as an excuse when committing such crimes. Perhaps it's the truth, or is it sometimes a ploy by defence lawyers to get a lighter sentence ?


It seems unlikely that someone who's been found guilty of theft and who also admits to having a gambling addiction will find themselves in a position of responsibility again for many years to come. A double dose of career ending mistakes if ever there were ones.


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Gambling & Crime

These stories seem so outrageous, it's incredible that they got away with it for so long. Not only that but why gamble it away, think what you could have done with that amount of money!!!
I think that the majority of people are addicted to gambling and they start stealing to pay for it, read this one it's just as unbelievable...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/ja...crime.gambling

how about a competition?... Who can find the largest sum of money stolen to feed a gambling addiction.
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A Thief is a Thief

No matter what the excuse the plain simple fact is a thief is a thief and it is in their nature and has nothing to do with the reasons.
There are people in the human race would prefer to starve than steal. Those who steal rather than starve I have all sympathy for but the rest should suffer the full wraith of the law without consideration for the reason for the theft . . . Mitigating circumstances be damned. Addicted to Gambling, Drugs or simply "The Good Life" is no reason to take what is not yours to take. How the hell can anyone have any sympathy for a bloody THIEF.
A THIEF IS A THIEF.
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No matter what the excuse the plain simple fact is a thief is a thief and it is in their nature and has nothing to do with the reasons.
There are people in the human race would prefer to starve than steal. Those who steal rather than starve I have all sympathy for but the rest should suffer the full wraith of the law without consideration for the reason for the theft . . . Mitigating circumstances be damned. Addicted to Gambling, Drugs or simply "The Good Life" is no reason to take what is not yours to take. How the hell can anyone have any sympathy for a bloody THIEF.
A THIEF IS A THIEF.
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There are people who prefer to starve than steal...have you any evidence to back up this statement?...
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Faking Cancer to get $350K

It's been a while since anyone posted so here's a cracker of an evil deception from British Columbia in Canada.


Woman in $350K cancer fraud gets 3 years
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...#ixzz1CcGXm8lU

"Between March 2009 and November 2010, Sammons, a native of West Virginia, variously told the people she defrauded that she needed treatment for cancer, a kidney transplant, three heart surgeries and a number of medical therapies.

The court heard that she faked seizures and would lie in bed at home while her mother-in-law, 71, cleaned her house and took care of her child."



Gambling addict who faked cancer sentenced to 3 years
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome


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Lightbulb Nick £44,000 and pay back a £1

One here from Britain...

You stole £44,000 from Bradford on Avon but you can pay £1
http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news...u_can_pay___1/

"He said Davies was addicted to gambling at the time and had been keeping it from his family. After Davies started to take the money he said he tried to ‘chase his losses’ in a bid to get it back but instead found himself getting in deeper."


The story perhaps reflects the effectiveness of the defence playing the gambling addiction card when their client is caught at work with their fingers in the till.


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another cautionary tale, this time from Newcastle.

Trusted worker stole thousands for gambling
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...2703-28100256/
"The 42-year-old, a Team Leader at the Railway Ticket centre on Tyneside, embezzled the fortune to bankroll his ruinously expensive addiction to gambling. He blew every penny he stole on a luckless gambling spree at casinos, Newcastle Crown Court heard.


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Lightbulb Two more from the U.S.

Do document all the news stories around the world where a crime has been commited and gambling is mentioned somewhere in the text is an almost impossible task with limited time available.

To keep this thread alive here are two more. Both the accused are females and both involve substantial sums - one from New Jersey and the other from Reno, Nevada.



26th April, 2011

Whitehouse Station woman pleads guilty to $13.6 million Ponzi scheme
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...nvestment.html
"The owner of a Branchburg-based investment firm yesterday pleaded guilty to defrauding investors of more than $13.6 million in a Ponzi scheme and using $7 million to settle gambling debts and pay for travel and personal expenses"


Former Court Clerk Arrested on Grand Theft Charges
http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=41745&n=122
"According to court documents, prosecutors believe Prince stole more than $202,000 over two years to cover a gambling habit. "



We're not talking about stealing a loaf of bread to feed the kids are we !


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Arrow €20,000 a day online punter

A tragic tale out of Ireland where a Post Office Manager who has now been missing for 4 days is suspected of stealing up to €2 million.

The Irish Independent reports that he was a major online customer of Paddy Power.

Fraud-probe worker 'lost €20,000 a day betting'
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...g-2811972.html


This story is ongoing and will obviously require an update.


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Unhappy AUS$800,000 stolen from employers

This is a cautionary tale from Adelaide, South Australia.

Jailed pokies addict condemns hotel staff
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-1...-scott/4128544

The ABC News video to accompany the story is well worth watching.

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Lightbulb Grimsby & Singapore

Looking at this story it appears that to thieve and then successfully fritter away most of the proceeds gambling one must head to the English east coast town of Grimsby.

Ramsdens to pursue £55k stolen by worker to fund gambling habit
http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/story...ail/story.html

£55k proceeds, payback a few hundred, stay out of bother for a year and then do 200 hours unpaid work. It's not the first time that playing the gambling card in court has hit the jackpot with a sympathetic judge but this case could be one of the most extreme.

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Lightbulb Recent British cases

Here are a bunch of recent British cases where gambling is mentioned in relation to a criminal event. One must not forget of course that Bookmaker robberies that take place in Britain on an almost daily basis now will probably be committed by individuals with a number of problems with gambling losses no doubt somewhere in the mix.


National Trust manager admits stealing £11,000 from employer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-n...wales-22185628

Bank manager embezzled £122,000 from customers for gambling habit
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/221775-h...ambling-habit/

Village hall treasurer admits £20,000 theft
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/c...s-20000-theft/


The Grasp Group (Gambling Reform & Society Perception) are extremely active posting links to such cases on their Forum and via Twitter.

www.grasp-group.org
https://twitter.com/TheGraspGroup - 1,700 followers.


and just today in Derbyshire...

Ilkeston bookmakers' staff shot at in robbery attempt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-22201204

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Lightbulb The Gambling Addiction Card

The gambling addiction card appears to have once again been played successfully.

Gambling addict stole £64,000 to feed his habit
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/loc...abit-1-5160850
"Defending Gee, Howard Barrington-Clark explained the 71 cheques were made out to fund a £1,000-a-month addiction to online roulette."


Sentence for stealing £64,000 - 18 months imprisonment suspended for two years and 250 hours of unpaid work.

With so many gambling products now readily available in Britain what one can bet on is the regular appearance of cases similar to the one detailed above. Especially with such a lenient penalty - 4 hours unpaid work for every £1,000 stolen.


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Unhappy Bingo's Fun

Usually I have the news channels on while I put together GF's updates. It's pretty much standard for there to be several different Ad's for Internet Bingo on Sky News before 10am in the morning and they're all over the afternoon chat show and quiz programmes.

One would think from the upbeat message and smiling faces that it's simply harmless fun.
Maybe not !.

Here's a cautionary tale from the English Midlands.

Gambling addict mum blew disabled daughter's £124,000 care cash on bingo
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...h-blew-4050509
A mum handed £124,000 to look after her disabled daughter blew the cash on internet bingo. Julie Smith was given the enormous sum of taxpayers’ money to look after her child Hayley, who has cerebral palsy and cannot walk or talk. But a judge said she frittered it away on online gambling sites and in other 'ludicrous ways'.

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