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Old 25th May 2004
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Functional but obsolete?

With the technological advances in the development of slots, machines bought in the past are soon obsolete although still functional. At what stage would it be reasonable for the manufacturer to discontinue providing support and spares for these machines? Is the discontinuation of support for an older model part of the sales drive?

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Old 26th May 2004
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well i think it is a problem of costs it depends of how popular continue being these models , and how many are operating in the moment, how big is that market and important for them, for example in Peru we have I-game , EVO, e-motion, MKVI etc . but there are people (a lot) who enjoy playing a S-plus and a bally 6000 yet, in addition others prefer to play a multipoker IGt instead of a "triple triple play" of the same brand. and it seems will continue some years, it happen after almost ten years those models have appeared , i dont know how it is in other countries with respect to this topic.
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Old 21st July 2004
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Cool they do it all the time...

Hi Anin,

Parts is a big consideration when buying machines. The more popular the model, the longer parts will be available.

From a manufacturers point of view they want to sell new machines so, eventually even supporting an older but still popular model with spares can do more harm than good and is a sales reps worse nightmare......

From a slot managers point of view I don't care how good the machine may look, or how much potential earnings it may make because if I don't get reasonable tech support, I don't want the machine.....
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Old 6th September 2004
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Recently we have changed 100% of our machines (as most of the bigger operators). The law on i.c.u. in 2002 simplified the scale of the machines, but we still have the chance to rebuilt the machines with kits. Due to the Hungarian regulations a machine can be run 5 years. Then you have to 'withdraw from circulation'. It was not rare that a machine was operated 10 years by using some simple tricks. We were full of unreliable imported machines from Holland, Germany and Spain where theese awps were thrown away. Nowdays, a machine lives 2-4 years and its turnover/attraction starts to cut down. The new machine is always a risk. (Thats why we accept & buy a machine after a strict test period) A kind of operator try to by rebuilt kits another kind takes risk with buying a new one.
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Old 8th September 2004
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Post Hi PLLsystem

hI pllsystem.

The manufacturers would have an even fatter wallet if everywhere were like Hungary.........

I think the 5 year law is a bit strange but I'm sure there is some reason for it so I would be happy to know what it is so if you could, please enlighten me on the issue
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Old 8th September 2004
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Re: Hi PLLsystem

You are right. In theory you should throw away a machine after 5 years. The date of manufacturing is recorded on its licence. Each machine have to be checked in a tech. laboratory in every 2 years and the 3rd time you have your machine checked your licence will expire to exactly the end of 5 year period that came in mind for avoiding imported, unreliable, 100 year old machines. We can/could "rebuilt" it for a new 5 year period.
I think the operators attitude has changed recently. When I got involved in AWPs my company had the 'long term' approach, so we operated machines as long as we could. It would have been too expensive to buy new machines. Nowdays we can be succesful if we follow (rather overtake) the market and our competitors. Thus we pay attention the quality of the machines.

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hI pllsystem.

The manufacturers would have an even fatter wallet if everywhere were like Hungary.........

I think the 5 year law is a bit strange but I'm sure there is some reason for it so I would be happy to know what it is so if you could, please enlighten me on the issue
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Whilst not exactly the same subject but does have a tenous thread.

Does anyone have any opinion, information on server based gaming?

My concern at present is the dominance of certain suppliers that is created through their control of the gaming systems market.

It is not only the development in slots but the upgrades /changes to gaming systems that are driving the obsolescence of the older slot.

My understanding of server based gaming is that it is not cabinet dependant. The games are a piece of software that resides on a central or several central severs.

Thus only the software will need to be changed if the game is no longer supported.

My concern is if you have a certain companies system will you be able to run another manufacturers games?
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Old 17th September 2004
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Hi Bushman

server based games normally are participation games which is a big no no for alot of operators........Some do offer to sell you the user rights and cabinets but there are usually hidden anual fees maintenance ect.... so you have to look very carefully at the fineprint.

The big selling point is that you can download any available game at any time which makes conversion kits instant. Some platforms allow you to program the machine to show different games at different times of day.

regarding game content you will find that some server based companies have licensing agreements with the big manufacturers to use popular games using their software as lets face it, the big boyz have some really good games that leave most companies in the dust.

As for the cabinet / software upgrades, you'll find that part of the sales agreement will include a upgrade clause (more money).....

I would only go for such a deal for a large strong operation as cost can run high

Hope that helped..................
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Hi SCSlots,

Can you point me in the direction of games/system developers for server based games?

You are correct in your thinking I would only apply this product to a large operation and more to assist in capacity control.

It is a longish term plan but hopefuly if implemented correctly we would better be able to control our pricing number of devices on offer etc.

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Old 17th September 2004
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Hi Bushman,

Octavian International, Cybview, Bossmedia are a few I have looked into. One really exciting concept is called Jackpot Madness (www.jackpotmadness.com) they fused the internet mega progressive jackpots to landbased slot machines which means more play and more hit frequency......and the game percentages are really competative........
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I'm sure the lack of parts is driven by the sales angle. We were informed that our boiler was "quite an old one" and it wasn't possible to repair it due to lack of parts. It was less than 10 years old! That plumber was swiftly despatched and we got one who could fix it. Not with a part from the manufacturer but an alternative source. Hopefully some parts are generic and a solution can be found, especially for the more popular machines.
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spare parts

I agree. The parts are important. I am convinced that manufacturers change their main parts not by accident. Like Pluto 1 in Royal cabinet, then came Pluto 5 in Cretus technology, and the new Pluto5 in V12 cabinet.
We use 10 year old Universal Hoppers MkIV that work properly but the recent Coin Controls MkIV or the Alberici MS2 version... Sometimes theese hoppers had a bubble in its opto thus it drops coins without impulse.
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