anyone on biased wheels?

[toby]

It´s hard to find one but they exist.

Raw data vs visual detection, or both.

How many numbers to play?

Sectors vs isolated numbers.

How much to clock a wheel, 10k 20k 50k?

Any comment welcome.

[ian]

...has probably never been built. Even if it had, after thousands of hours of play, dodgy cleaning and maintenance, plus scratches and grime accumulations it must have at least some bias.

The question from a player stand point is - does an AR wheel have sufficient bias to give playing on that table a positive expectation ?. If not it's a pointless excercise as the object is surely to win not spend 10's of hours just losing a little slower.

I doubt that there are many wheels still in play in the world's commercial casinos that are of such age and condition that they show significant bias but one never knows. The same is probably not true of poorly maintained auto-roulette wheels and carousels in arcades and street operations.

Have you ever found one toby ?

Ian

[toby]

I have found plenty of biased wheels.

Most give you a small edge but from time to time we find a good one.

The hardest part is to identify what numbers or sectors to play, besides the drawdown management.

BR

[madmike]

Then check out this story...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette

Casinos in spain tried to bar him, but he won appeal. If one of your AR's drops % hold and you see significant betting patterns, swap the wheel and see if it has an impact.

[toby]

There´s no the same survelience in every country.

In some places the pit or the mecanichs don´t work the same.

Low profile wheel helped to solve the biased problem parcially.

It is not hard to find a wheel with +2% edge if you work smartly.

[saintpeter]

Toby says "The hardest part is to identify what numbers or sectors to play"

No Sh1t, Sherlock.

[toby]

Originally Posted by saintpeter

Toby says "The hardest part is to identify what numbers or sectors to play"

No Sh1t, Sherlock.

What do you mean?

[711 Moike]

.....'ere we go two, three, four.

[123]

Originally Posted by 711 Moike

.....'ere we go two, three, four.

Now that does take me back! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN45OjB-cCU


I've been going out with a girl,
her name is Julie
But last night she said to me,
when we were watching telly

(This is what she said)

She said listen John, I love you
But there's this bloke, I fancy
I don't want to two time you,
so it's the end for you and me

Who's this bloke I asked her
Goooooordon, she replied
Not THAT puff, I said dismayed
Yes but he's no puff she cried

(He's more of a man than you'll ever be)

Here we go, two three four

I was so upset that I cried,
all the way to the chip shop

When I came out there was Gordon,
standing at the bus stop

(And guess who was with him? Yeah, Julie, and they were both laughing at me)

Oh, she is cruel and heartless
to pack me for Gordon
Just cos he's better looking than me
Just cos he's cool and trendy

But I know he's a moron, Gordon is a moron
Gordon is a moron, Gordon is a moron

Here we go, two three four

Oh she's a slag and he's a creep
She's a tart, he's very cheap
She is a slut, he thinks he's tough
She is a bitch, he is a puff
Yeah yeah, it's not fair
Yeah yeah, it's not fair

(I'm so upset)

I'm so upset, I'm so upset, yeah yeah

(I ought to smash his face in.)

(Yeah, but he's bigger than me. In't he?)

(I know, I'll get my mate Barry to hit him. He'd flatten him)

(Yeah but Barry's a mate of Gordon's in'e?)

(Oh well, I don't care)

I don't care
I don't care
Cause she's a slag and he's a creep
she's a tart, he's very cheap
she is a slut, he thinks he's tough......